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		<title>By: &#187; Ripe.ie beginning to find their feet &#187; Tom Doyle :: TALK</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Ripe.ie beginning to find their feet &#187; Tom Doyle :: TALK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wasn&#8217;t too long ago that I wrote about a new self proclaimed &#8220;web design company&#8221; called Ripe. My major irk with this company was the language they [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wasn&#8217;t too long ago that I wrote about a new self proclaimed &#8220;web design company&#8221; called Ripe. My major irk with this company was the language they [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Doyle</title>
		<link>http://www.tomdoyletalk.com/2006/12/26/the-cheek-of-them/comment-page-1/#comment-277</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 10:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah me too.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah me too&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.tomdoyletalk.com/2006/12/26/the-cheek-of-them/comment-page-1/#comment-276</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 10:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought this thread had died a long time ago!

We just have to accept the fact that there are always going to be cowboys like solaris.ie and ripe.ie who rape the name of this industry. If clients are naive enough to be taken in by these clowns, then they&#039;ll have to learn the hard way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this thread had died a long time ago!</p>
<p>We just have to accept the fact that there are always going to be cowboys like solaris.ie and ripe.ie who rape the name of this industry. If clients are naive enough to be taken in by these clowns, then they&#8217;ll have to learn the hard way.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://www.tomdoyletalk.com/2006/12/26/the-cheek-of-them/comment-page-1/#comment-271</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 19:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same with these guys - solarweb.ie. He (there is no they) hire $6 an hour sweatshop Indians, produce rubbish sites for around €500. Honest professional business peopke have hired him. Is it just me or do some Irish businesses not see the difference between professional website development and amateur rubbish?

Solarweb.ie certainly leave a nasty taste in the mouth. Solarpleb more like it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same with these guys &#8211; solarweb.ie. He (there is no they) hire $6 an hour sweatshop Indians, produce rubbish sites for around €500. Honest professional business peopke have hired him. Is it just me or do some Irish businesses not see the difference between professional website development and amateur rubbish?</p>
<p>Solarweb.ie certainly leave a nasty taste in the mouth. Solarpleb more like it!</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.tomdoyletalk.com/2006/12/26/the-cheek-of-them/comment-page-1/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Tom here. While I don&#039;t feel particularly threatened by Ripe.ie, I feel they have a po-faced cheek to compare themselves to seasoned professionals. If they want to be a two-bit web shop that knocks out crappy, poorly coded templates from Template Monster then fair enough. But to try and assert that the quality of their work is even close to professional is a joke.

And as for claiming other&#039;s work for your own. Wow. This industry is damaged enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Tom here. While I don&#8217;t feel particularly threatened by Ripe.ie, I feel they have a po-faced cheek to compare themselves to seasoned professionals. If they want to be a two-bit web shop that knocks out crappy, poorly coded templates from Template Monster then fair enough. But to try and assert that the quality of their work is even close to professional is a joke.</p>
<p>And as for claiming other&#8217;s work for your own. Wow. This industry is damaged enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Doyle</title>
		<link>http://www.tomdoyletalk.com/2006/12/26/the-cheek-of-them/comment-page-1/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and on your point about flights and a plumber.

With a plumber, if they came in and said they were going to install a bath and installed a sink instead, I wouldn&#039;t be happy.

If I bought a flight to Sydney and it brought me to London, I&#039;d be a bit peeved off too. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and on your point about flights and a plumber.</p>
<p>With a plumber, if they came in and said they were going to install a bath and installed a sink instead, I wouldn&#8217;t be happy.</p>
<p>If I bought a flight to Sydney and it brought me to London, I&#8217;d be a bit peeved off too. <img src='http://www.tomdoyletalk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tom Doyle</title>
		<link>http://www.tomdoyletalk.com/2006/12/26/the-cheek-of-them/comment-page-1/#comment-133</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek, I think you are missing the point. 

My problem is not with what they are charging, it&#039;s with what they are charging for and it&#039;s also about how they are doing it. 

i.e. 

1. Claiming to have developed established brand names websites or inventing businesses that don&#039;t exist and claiming they have developed their websites too.

2. Comparing what they do to a traditional web design business.

If you read the article and all the comments above you will see where I&#039;m coming from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek, I think you are missing the point. </p>
<p>My problem is not with what they are charging, it&#8217;s with what they are charging for and it&#8217;s also about how they are doing it. </p>
<p>i.e. </p>
<p>1. Claiming to have developed established brand names websites or inventing businesses that don&#8217;t exist and claiming they have developed their websites too.</p>
<p>2. Comparing what they do to a traditional web design business.</p>
<p>If you read the article and all the comments above you will see where I&#8217;m coming from.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.tomdoyletalk.com/2006/12/26/the-cheek-of-them/comment-page-1/#comment-132</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom (whatever the specifics of Ripe.ie) this is an age-old argument. You&#039;re arguing against a service being made a commodity. I happen to work in the same industry as you do, and well... tough.

Would you be similarly complaining if you could get a plumber out for 50 Euro, or if you got cheap air flights?

It&#039;s up to you to find differentiators for you business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom (whatever the specifics of Ripe.ie) this is an age-old argument. You&#8217;re arguing against a service being made a commodity. I happen to work in the same industry as you do, and well&#8230; tough.</p>
<p>Would you be similarly complaining if you could get a plumber out for 50 Euro, or if you got cheap air flights?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s up to you to find differentiators for you business.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Doyle</title>
		<link>http://www.tomdoyletalk.com/2006/12/26/the-cheek-of-them/comment-page-1/#comment-101</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was removed after Ripe found out about this blog post! :)
Fitzpatricks is a world recognised brand, it&#039;s not something that there would be many of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was removed after Ripe found out about this blog post! <img src='http://www.tomdoyletalk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Fitzpatricks is a world recognised brand, it&#8217;s not something that there would be many of.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlo</title>
		<link>http://www.tomdoyletalk.com/2006/12/26/the-cheek-of-them/comment-page-1/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did you see Fitzpatrick Hotels?, I don&#039;t seem to find it. There&#039;s at least 15 different hotels with the same name anyway.

Ireland&#039;s Leading design company is questionable alright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did you see Fitzpatrick Hotels?, I don&#8217;t seem to find it. There&#8217;s at least 15 different hotels with the same name anyway.</p>
<p>Ireland&#8217;s Leading design company is questionable alright.</p>
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