Tom Doyle :: TALK

Not sure Sue - We don’t have virgin in Ireland. I have heard that they *may*.

Best place to ask is http://www.satdownloads.co.uk

the box, or starview 2 is actually just a plain old starview box with a new box, no pun intended.
but to be honest, legel or not, starview boxes are not worth the money, it would be better to invest in a eurovox max 2008, digivox, or the cream of the crop the magnificent dreambox 600c.
there is a new box coming out to Europe by a company not mentioned above that is cheaper than a dreambox and is considered the greatest free cable access set top box around.
as for how ntl’s attempts have failed is to do with the encryption they use, a system called nagravision, it’s easily breakable using brute force ( not actual physical force, but cryptoheads wil know what i mean) and the onlt way for upc to stop there signals being compromised is to change encryption systems, but that is too expensive, it would require acquiring the rights to use a new system, plus replacing all the existing ntl boxes with a new one.
but which system?
Viaaccess? broken
Bliss? broken
Seca? broken
Irdeto? broken
Betacrypt? broken
Cryptoworks? you guessed it broken
only encryption system not been compromised is Videoguard, but ntl can’t use that, why? it’s owned by rupert murdoch, and used exclusively on sky digi boxes.

p.s. i don’t have ntl, i don’t even live in ireland.

Yep, it is as I said not different at all in terms of spec. It’s merely a “front cover” change, which is disappointing.

I love your input on the encryption side of things. I always imagined that it was simply a brute force hack that allowed them to crack the encryption and wondered what they could do to prevent this.

There was talk that NTL were putting in place a system that would only allow 3 attempts at the code and then you’d basically be blocked out. Did you hear of this? Do you think they can implement something along these lines?

well the cypher keys are worked out by brute for on for more powerful machines, the box in terms of computing power is pretty weak.
as for ntl doing a 3 strikes and your out approach, well that just shows how little they know about how these devices work.
ntl set top boxes have a talkback routine which allows for on demand features, ppv etc.
the boxes listed above can’t access these ppv on demand streams, because they don’t facilitate the talkback feature.
none of the above boxes except two can use brute force, but they don’t need to, the cypher algorithm is already compromised the boxes just have to run through a 128bit scan and the key is once again broken,
the keys you see listed on starview box sites similiar to 3a 44 ff 00 etc are usually obtained by users of other better equipment.
but if you have a starview, preferably a non cloned version, look around for the new firmware update and image, which when flashed to the box will allow the system to autoroll and obtain the new keys, usually which such a device no more than ten minutes but with better equipment it can be rolled in half a minute for a 200 channel scan.

Hi, great site. Re these cable receiver boxes, can they only be used with ntl, I have a magnet entertainment digital service, do you reckon they may work on this service?

not that i’m aware of, i don’t know what system magnet use. but the boxes work on virgin media in england which used to be telewest and ntl, and on upc in ireland which used to be ntl and chorus.

Hi Tom,

Can you tell me what is the un-named manufacturer you mention in above article.

Am interested in a getting a box, want to see what best optiosn are.

cheers
Brian

In regards to people saying the dreambox is better than the starview 2 i disagree,the first box i purchased was a dreambox 500c and as a warning to anyone else thinking of buying one if your cable signal is in the slightest bit weak the 500c just cant cope,the first time i used it i got a couple of months out of it but had to put up with constant freezing pictures then it crashed.The second time i reinstalled the software it couldnt even find the channels,i then hooked it up at my friends house and it worked.I then purchased the starview 2 as i heard they were much more stable and to this day i have had no problems with it plus it was cheaper than the dreambox!

As far as I know, there are numerous “manufacturers” of the Starview box, but I think the only one creating TheBox is Wizard Satellite - http://www.wizardsatellite.co.uk
You could also checkout the links on the left << - you’ll get some links to buy there too.

well to be honest if you are not too knowledgeable with computers then yes the starview 2 is the simple choice, just plug and play. but the signal issue you had with the dreambox, i had too for about a day, a dvb signal booster and a better far more stable image called commando and i never had a problem with it since, and in aesthetics the epg on the dream box was a lot better than the tripe one on the starview too, it has to be one of the worst in the market, the terrible one for foxtel in Australia is better by comparison.
but if you want a box that beats all, look for the iT Gate TGM220c, been onsale here in oz for a few months and i thinks it’s the best box ever released, better than even the dm7020.
but the simple truth is, if you just want a simple plug and play box, then go not for the starview 2 (the box) but get the eurovox max 2008. at least you get a stable box, unlike the tosh that is the starview.

LAtest box I’m looking at is the Eurovox MAx 2008 (only out a few weeks)

Only problem is that it doesn’t support widescreen.

do you know if any of the other boxes do?

wizard don’t make the starview, they just sell it in england as well as other sellers on ebay and alibaba

the starview, the box are originally made by the same company in south korea, the reason the box was released was a number of companies in china cloned it and sold a very inferior box as the starview. the box is just a starview with a new casing and hasn’t been cloned yet but it’s only a matter of time. the euroox was also cloned the model called the bluebox, named as it came in a blue cardboard box was cloned too, and some sellers would sell a cheap blue clone in a red box saying it was an original, hence the newer model 2008 blackbox.
for the iT Gate check out http://www.itgate.co.kr
that is the manufacturers site.
the law on these boxes is rather strange, no law against making them, no law against selling or buying them, but hooking them up to the cable network is when the law is broken.

actually its not illegal. it is against your service providers terms & coniditions but it is most certainly not illegal.

receiving channels which require a paid subscription for free .. well thats a different matter.

can anyone confirm if the box works if you have just cable broadband? thanks

actually bob, it is illegal to connect up to your service providers cable network with any set top box other than your cable company’s provided box.
the fines range fron 1,500 euro and/or 6 months in prison in the irish courts, or if it gets to a european court up to 20,000 euro and/or 2 years in prison.
just go to boards.ie and type in eurovox in the search box and you’ll see the excerpts from both law books.
plus if your network catch you, and you really have to be a moron for the network to catch you btw, they will blacklist you from ever receiving cable tv, and you’ll be blacklisted by other cable companies too.
if you know anyone in england involved in this area, ask them they’ll tell you the same.
virgin media are lately phoning up former customers trying to catch them out, and in some cases knocking on doors and being let in to customers houses.

cable broadband? you’ll have to borrow a box to try it out, but generally split the signal coming into your house before it gets to the modem.
then connect one feed to the cable box of your choice, and the other feed into your modem.

can you recieve chorus tv channels with a starview 2 box,how do you recieve all channels free[curious as i am aware this is illegal].do u need to be an expert on codes or is autoscan available on starview 2.will skysports and setanta sports be avaiable for premiership matches once it’s installed for free..

sv2 the box can be gotten on chorus cable and not chorus mmds ( mmds is via a small square area on your roof) cable is through the ground .
the box autorolls with the new software so its only really the setup which u would need to now
email me for any questions on where to get them and what to do !

jimbo. I know u said that the TGM220c works great in oz but do u know if it has the capabilities to work well in ireland like the ‘other’ boxes do ?

yes mainamin, the tgm220 can be used in any country, unlike the starview/the box or eurovox
it can be updated easily either through your pc, or by connecting the box to the net and it’ll download the required image in seconds.
a new site in england is dealing exclusively with the tgm, they are the only people seling and programming for it in western europe, a quick search through google with the criteria itgate tgm220 that exact phrase and it’ll be on the first page.

the starview/tthe box will autoroll on the nagravision encryption system that chorus and ntl use if it is flashed with the 2.57 firmware version.
unlike other versions which will render your box obsolete, the 2.57 will work on all starviews.

sorry unlike some firmware versions which depending on what version starview you have, cloned or genuine

Thanks jimbo. ill have a look
by the way there are 4 types of firmware available for starviews :
v4 is for a geniune
v257(fix) for a clone
v450 for ‘the box’ (ireland )or
v451 for ‘the box’ ( UK) .

Putting anything other than v257(fix) on a clone will ‘kill’ the receiver.
hope that clears any confusion m8.
thanks agaiin….

Jimbo, how do you ensure that the cable company will not catch you ?

the signal is only one way (i.e. no feedback) so how can they catch you unless they physically see you watching encrypted channels on the tv.

Yes the starview and similar boxes have no talkback enabling device installed so unless The CC are let into your house , they will never know !

anybody here got any experience of Dreamboxes as I’m about to get a Dreambox 600PVR.

Cheers lads.
So do you recommend the the Starview or the Eurovox ?
I know that the Eurovox is more expensive but I would happily pay the extra if it was worth it.

eurovox is the better of the two. Its really the EPG that is superior with the euro because the starview wirh the new firmware is just as good !

HI,
l am a technicall twit please help
lam torn between the digivox, eurovox and the box
please advise.
l would like one that has programme information as you scrolled
l need something that is going to cause problems
l watch in 16/ forget what the measurement is on widwscreen telly

thanks kim

Can any1 tell me if the starview box will work with sky tv as i have just changed over from ntl.

Thanks.

im useing the broadband box works great free high speed broadband ha ha

Holy cow, this is fascinating. But as a Numbnut I’m still unsure which one to buy. Could one of you technofiles advise me? Thinkn the Starview2 or the eurovox coz cheaper than dreambox, but will either of those cheaper boxes automatically update themselves when ntl scramle the signal(as I’m told the dreambox does)? i.e.; will I have to get off my arse and do anything technical?!

kim, the eurvox has a better epg ( electronic programming guide)
Joe, Starview box will not work on sky digital as it uses a totally different system, u would have to still have your ntl cable. ( maybe u do)
Paulinhio , both the starview 2 and eurovox autoroll.
Check out my site . email me for details…

no box works on Sky system, they have the encryption not yet hacked!!

I think the Eurovox 2008 is the best that you mentioned, based on reviews. The only one bad point is that it doesn’t support widescreen (16:9), so if you’ve just bought a widescreen tv, you want t o make the most of it!!

I bought a Dreambox 600c, works great after initial setup.

the starview 2 and eurovox only autoroll for a limited time, the firmware they use is a partial image, not a FULL decryption cypher which linux stb’s use.
the dreambox and itgate will always work no matter what the cable companies throw at them, unlike the starview and eurovox which have limited autorolling features.
if you really want a box worth your money, get the itgate. you will not regret it.

can somebody tell me where i can download the gtrom loader and firmware required for ntl irelandd? got the box today but cant find the downloads.

oh i also have starview 1 which is working, can i do a stb to stb transfer, if so how.

A friend of mine has bought The Box and asked me to set up for him. Tried to set up as normal Starview box, auto scan found 141 channels but after that it wouldn’t allow to get to CAS screen to switch Emu on. Tried info and 2004 on parental control, 1570 and 1668 on main menu but nothing happens. Any help appreciated.

contact me at yourbarginbarn@hotmail.com
for the gtromloader+files issues !

Paul, I’ve heard that when you purchase a starview box, it’s likely to have to be flashed before you can access the hidden menu. It’s likely that the firmware version on the box, is one that doesn’t allow access to the hidden menu.

That is true Tom.
all boxes are supplied blank, this is why it is legal to sell them ! ( as fta boxes)
Can u tell us what do u do for a living ?

I got mine up and running yesterday, follow mainman’s link you will have to connect the box to a pc and download new firmware into it, i did yesterday quite easy once you get into it.

You can see in the about page what I do for a living!

Nice to hear that adrian.
Tom cant find ‘about page’ sorry
any chance of a link mate !

oooppppsss - my fault. About page was turned off, back on now!

mainanm, you offer to sell many products on your site and offer on some full support, what support do you offer?
also, where did you get the price for the tgm220?
that is way too much, are you a rip off merchant or a chancer?

Whats your point Jimbo.

Also . what is your problem !
Just because u dont agree with a price dosent mean you have to right to suggest ‘ rip off merchant’ and ‘chancer’
And futher more I offer support to customers ‘off site’, every day! ( In which they are more than happy with my service)
So instead of throwing in accusations maybe u should mind your own buisiness. And stop interferring with mine.
Have you nothing better to do with your time !!!

Lad’s please calm down or I’ll have to close this discussion.

Thanks
Tom

sorry mainamn

Thats your call Tom of course
But I have only defended myself and my name.
I didnt start ’slagging’ anybody off on this discussion.

Cheers jimbo. Water under the bridge now….

where you getting the itgate by the way? and the image you’ll need for ireland?
nothing personal but i don’t think you are a linux coder or can use the cross development kit required.
it’s a big task, an image takes at least 6 hours of solid coding and compiling before it’s usable and even then needs to be refined and tested.
but the itgate beats the starview/the box/eurovox/digivox etc it’s specs are top of the range mate, aren’t they

Yes it is far superior jimbo.
I am in constant touch with the manufacturers and the software people , i personally am not a ‘linux coder’ but I do have their support mate

hey, im living in dublin and was hoping you could you please tell me if starview 2 The Box will work with Smart Telecom? as this is the only cable provider available to me in my apartment.

hows the craic, so i also as many before got my hands on a star view box and its working like a dream, although bit worried about all the talk of scrambling at the momment ntl are fixing in broadband in my area so is it just as they say or is it an upgrade to their system? (ie my box wont work) and also where can i get info on codes
appreciate it.T

36 Kiran im not sure about smart telecom, maybae jimbo will know.
tomas i have left my mail on post no. 36
mail me for a link to a great support site!

F.T.A.O MAINAMN

My name is Satman, And i am the software developer for satkings.org.
I know you will recognize me as i see you on our forum.

Now, I would like to know very much where your claims are coming from?, You have never contacted me direct ( you say you have the full support of the developers) and I do know you do not have stock of the tgm220, and to make things worse you have only made 1 contact with our sales team,
How you can justify calling this as having our full backing and support really startles me.
The price your changing daily must be a mystic number you have thought up in your head also,,, we can offer the PVR TGS110 for the same price you have the tgm220 on offer for at your site.
We are the only Distributor in the whole UK & Ireland for this and would like to point out to everyone that although he is correct in saying its the best cable box on the market, he is no way, yet anyway, a official trader of them, and he definitely doesnt have in stock.

And for whoever asked,, these cable boxes will work with any cable that uses Nagravision encryption and this generally covers indepandant cable providers as well as all VM and NTL, in both uk and Ireland.
If it doesnt work straight away you may need to insert current keys into it,( but if its a linux box it will continue to autoroll from there so no worries )

Obviously a big mix up here.
Satman I have been in touch through your PM on satkings.org
Please respond asap.

Follow up to satman.
I have previously been in touch with your head of sales on this matter and There was an agreement between both parties.That is why I said what I have been saying about support etc.
Like I said this is a misunderstanding.
I also dont like being made out to be a liar !

Tell everyone what,,,

want an itgate,, come visit us at satkings.org
you wont get a better price and updates before anyone else.
being the developer i will make sure of that!

Only think you lied about is ‘constantly’ in touch with the manufacturer and software people.
point being, I am software people, and you never spoke to me until yesterday!

I think its time to move on guys. Do any of ye know how to download the channel line up from one starview box to another, it seems to take ages to do it manually every time i get a new box. also why doesnt the box scan all vhf and uhf channels instead of just a few that ntl or whoever use. I’m an installer and could use other channels in systems that arent being scanned by the box on set up. Also do we know for sure that the starviews will auto rotate when codes change, since i downloaded new software the cable provider hasn’t done a code change so i dont know.

What about the Nokia DBOX?

Is that Doncaster Merv???

No,not me mate.

hey, if one only has an analogue packege from ntl is it possible to receive the digital signal on the same cable or is some sort of filter required to acquire the digital signal.

anybody know where i get one of these broadband boxes that give free high speed broadband, or any info on them, thanks

The codes for ntl changed today only have a few channels anyone got the new codes yet. Galway area.

PLEASE DO NOT POST KEYS HERE!!

Jimbo; I’m about to plump for the itgatetgm220 on your recommendation as you appear to be the ‘mainman’! Having one imported from a supplier in Canada. I’m in Ireland. Will I have to mess around with it much, or can I just plug it in and go?

…Satman; Went to your site to see your price for the tgm220, but was put off by your demand for my date of birth. What’s that all about ?!

Maybe if you had read through the thread you would have noticed that jimbo is not the ‘mainman’ when It comes to itgate !

hi
is the igate 220 plug and play and really easy to install. l aready have a eurobox. l need a second box and was thinking of the igate. it needs to be easy to install as l am not very technically minded.
thanks very much kim

Itgate only plug and play if you buy from a seller who flashes a uk image on to it,.

i.e us!
We have the only uk images at satkings!
Bit mad importing one from canada when you can get much cheaper and with correct image here.
You only need to put D.O.B on forum for security measures!
you dont need to register to buy a box as we will be opening an online sales site soon. ( real soon )
Interested send an email to sales@satkings.org
First lot of boxes are for Satkings Forum Mebers only tho.

Can you get free movie & porn on the starview 2 box. What channels are they listed under?

Hey.
Is there a box out there that replaces your Sky or Chorus digital satellite receiving box which receives all the channels like the Starview 2 does through cable??
Jackb

Why would anyone go to extremes to hack chorus/ntl?
simply by purchasing a technomate receiver and motorised dish you could get more movie channels(with newer movies than sky), live premiership football (saturday 3pm kick offs included), more kids channels and far better quality tv. this would require no more than a serial cable and the application of a patch via a computer to the receiver so simple to do that any technophobe could accomplish it!
this of course should not be done as it may be illegal.
also NDS(sky encryption) is hacked to some degree, it is possible to programme a cam such as a dragon/predator Cam with a patch which will allow subscription sky cards to open in a non sky box, this is being widely used with sky fta cards to open channel 4,five,five life, five US, sky 3 etc, as this does not involve any subscription!
Card sharing is also possible(though highly illegal) through a protocol called SSSP which can also be done through an average broadband connection and serial cable connection, this type of system can open just about anything in theory!
I would however not reccomend anybody break the law in any of these areas!!

Just found this site, very interesting reading. Just wondering if you have to have a live NTL/Virgin TV cotnract? I cancelled my NTL TV due to it being rather rubbish, but have kept the broadband and phone. If I purchased one of the many boxes avaiable would I be able to use it by plugging it in where my old box plugged in? Or would I have to get the TV package again to use it?

just got myself a starview box 2, i thought you just plug in and tune and bingo, cant get any channels????any one who can offer assistance, thank you kieran

cannot locate any programs– tp 01 — tp24 returned failed,i cannot turn on the emu because i cannot select parental lock / channel edit (not highlighted),any sugestions/help welcome @ kieranpobrien@gmail.com thank you

Kieran are you connected to a live cable feed? you also have to download new firmware onto the box, read through the posts there is a link somewhere to the site.

I already have two chorus boxes for two tv’s in my house. If I was to get rid of both(Chorus) would I still receive the signal in order for the starview 2 to work or do I have to keep one chorus box in order to receive the signal? A response would be appreciated as I do not have a clue

Hi I am looking to invest in a tuner but dont know which is best between Starview 2, Eurovox max and the itgate. There are only 3 things that I am concerned about in the choice. 1. Which is the best for picture and sound? 2. Best for reliability? 3. If I have Chor*s in ireland which one will give me the most channels, more importantly Sky/Setanta sports? I have seen a friend of mines starview 2 briefly and they seem to have all chorus digital usual channels. Also thought the interface was pretty good after reading it ws not so good on other forums. Ok maybe 4 questions - 4. best interface? Help please….

when picking a box pick ur budget.
eurovox / starview much the same and well priced and available easily.
itgate - expensive, no reviews, hard to get (1 seller in uk and no stock/no sales site)
u pays ur money u take ur choice. i would get a eurovox but it dosnt do widescreen

help! just puchased a starview 2 the box cant unscramble the sports channel or any other. I have read thro the posts still none the wiser, talk of downloading firmware on to the box? how do i do that do i need to disconnect again?
cheers jaimsy

can anyone advise if you can get HD content though these if you have a HD reciever?

and as its reciveing ntl briadcasts does that mean you cant get skyone through it due to sky taking it of them?

I know you can’t in Ireland. Even if you could, the Starview doesn’t output in HD, so it would be pointless.

this website has plenty of solutions

http://www.forums.afterdawn.com

how can i get the channels sky sports 2 and sky one please give good information

how can i get the channels sky sports 2 and sky one on my starview box

hi i am thinking of buying one of this boxes but am worried when people say that ntl can find outand fine you. is this true? and also if the code blanks can you really get another download from some website easy enough i leave in the dublin area. any comments thanks.

most people i know have them over a year and have had no problems, you can put firmware on the box that updates itself when the codes are changed. The website i posted a few posts above gives a lot of information

where can i get firmware for starview 1(old version)that auto updates the codes?
thank you

Hi
someone mentioned that you can get Broadband
May l ask how you do that l have a Eurovox

thanks kim

Hi there Tom..In the Galway county area and have mmds with ntl..Will “the box” work with this?

Cheers for your time.

“where can i get firmware for starview 1(old version)that auto updates the codes?
thank you”

http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/493446

Make sure that you have a real box first as there are a lot of clones/fakes about, that firmware will make the box useless if its a cloned box, real starviews have the scart socket on the left hand side if you are looking at the back of the box, some pics on the link below.

http://www.digitalworldz.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=124870

HI, i PAY £38 A MONTH TO SKY FOR THE FOOTIE HOW CAN I GET THIS FOR NOTHING? CAN I STILL USE THE DISH AND PLUG IN A STARVIEW 2 BOX OR DO I USE AN INTERNET CONNECTION OR IS THERE A BETTER BOX FOR A NOVICE LIKE ME?

dunc2004
Sky encryption is (pretty much) unhacked - you can’t decrypt Sky satellite signals without paying Murdoch his moolah.

NTL/cable companies use different encryption which HAS been hacked - so you need a cable feed and then a Starview/other cable box.

Don’t do it though, ‘cos it’s illegal.

First of all “wegian” i’m also Galway and an installer, the box will work on mmds but depends on what type of downconverter is on the antenna, 1 or more of the transponders ( groups of channels ) may be missing if its not correct. There’s no real way to tell until you plug it in, suck it and see theory… I do a full install inc antenna for 500.

dunc2004 you cant connect the starview or any of the cable boxes to your satellite dish, it will have to be connected to a live cable tv feed or a mmds antenna, depending where you live.

Hi Adrian,
Are you supplying the box also for 500?Are you on ebay?

Hi wegiangs no i’m not on ebay but i do supply box at that price, starview 2 “the box” would like to say at this point that i supply them free to air thats without codes but help is widely available on the web. Contact me for more details.

Whats an mmds antenna?

hi is thebox really a reliable box if i were to purchase one?

i have a starview box and i want to find out how i can choose which match i want to watch on sky sports xtra

you cant get the interactive games on a starview or dreambox

I do not work for Satkings and have no vested interest in them. I did however buy an iTgate 220tgm from them and it the experience has been great. The iTgate works a dream and is easy to set up - lovely widescreen. The support is quite incredible and is given by the people who write the software for the box. Again I am not connected to them but feel compelled to blow their trumpet for them. They’re that good!! Thanks Satman et al :o)

I’ve just been reading up on this the last few days with interest and i just have a few questions.
Do you need to have a current live chorus/ntl feed or if you have recently disconnected from them & the cable still remains if you hook up the Starview will it pick up the channels?
If you do require a current live feed will the analogue service provided by Chorus/Ntl be sufficient to allow you to pick up all the digital channels once the Starview is connected.

Visit http://www.bargin-barn.com
We have the cheapest eurovox max V in Ireland …. FACT

Now its a pity eurovox max is about as use as a doorstoper when UPC complete phasing the encryption to full nagra2 mainamn, i would be selling them off cheap too!

whats the story with the encryption changing? are ntl or who changing encrytion system and if so what will it mean for starview, eurovox, dream and it gate? will any of them still work?

please respond if you know the answers to these questions.

NTL ireland now owned by APC are testing Nagra2 as we speak. They will have full rollout soon.
Dream and itgate have potential to do nagra2,,,, eurovox, starview, starview2,starviewPVR, and any other patched box will be good doorstoppers

Is it not possible that a patch may become available for the likes of starview to do the same job? Also what about the genuine ntl boxes, will they have to be replaced or are they compatible??

Regards..Adrian

can someone tell me if it is possible to select the channels you want to watch on these boxes? i.e. can i restrict the adult channels from the kids? or do they automatically tune in?

thanks

no patch will let a starview do nagra2!!!!
Encryption too complex for the current lot of boxes ( uses 16bit encyrption now!!! )

genuine ntl boxes- that depends how old your box is,
any box made in last 3-4 years will be more than capable of the new encryption and may only require sending out new smartcards.

older pace boxes etc, will probably need replaced.
you will find already All ntl PVR boxes, ( thompson i think are all ready running nagra2 cards! )

typical i just ordered 3 starviews for customers

Satman, Is it not true that the new cards are using Nagra1/Nagra2 multicrypt and that the version of Nagra 2 that is on these cards has already been hacked.?

Sarah, I can only speak for the starview but the rest should be the same, Yes you can pin restrict them with a personal pin number chosen by you. And if theyre clever enough to do a re-scan to get them that way, you can pin protect the menu’s also.

one of the expert told me that eurovox max v is better than starview 2 the box. can anyone please tell me from which site i should purchase Eurovox max v with latest software as there are many people who are selling clone copies. help will be thankful.

alifaraze, go back to post 110 and click on the link for the genuine eurovox max v.

What does the eurovox offer over the starview can i ask?I like the starviews interface tho-like a 1980’s version of sky digital!

http://www.satandcable.co.uk/s/

Im always wary about this stuff - these arent clones on this site are they??

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hi all why is it that everyone says that setting the box up is easy well iv just set mine up it did it itself however only torestrial tv came up
so followed some istructions i was given now it wants a password can someone help before it goes out of window

which box do u have richard ?

Can post ‘118′ be answered.
If not, then nobody can
really say that :
‘the writing is on the wall for the Starview box’

hi,
could anyone tell me how you actually connect one of these boxes up to an aerial? or is it a cable through the ground?

do these work with chorous

yes the starview 2 will work on *horus but not on *hours mmds there will be a new box out shortly called the box t that will work on mmds

The box has been been for a couple of months already, but I wouldnt be in any mad rush to buy one, once ntl chorus, switch to nagra 2 this boxes and many others are finished. Best chance of getting around this is with a linux box ie itgate 220. or dream box.

i have the starview not the st 2.i just cant get it to work any ideas wat the problem is

with the starview 1 do i need to use the chorus remote controll

no use the starview remote. when you say it wont work what message are you getting on screen?

ive got it all up now i just had to use the codes .im not sure how to get box office though.im not even sure if theres a code for it that works with chorous

hi really like your site! thinking of getting cable box but new to all this and afraid i’ll get wrong one i’m in chorus cable(swords) area which would be best for me?talk of nagra 2 killing off most boxes would make me lean towards an itgate but are they user friendly?also can you record through usb port?would appreciate the help thanks!!!!

Have just purchased a Starview box. Can NTL not tell if you have the box on their cable???

No NTL cant tell cos the boxes do not talk back to the headend at the cable company. Ben get a linux based box, the one you mentioned is supposed to be a very good box with loads of support via a forum, box is only available from the source listed above in one of the other posts, sales@satkings.org i think. I dont have one myself yet but definately will be buying some in the very near future..

went for a eurovox i know its probably not as good as the itgate but it was a hell of a lot cheaper ,maybe i’ll get an itgate later on and as ch–us haven’t even gotten around to broadband yet i’m guessing it’ll be a while until they update to nagra2 .new software for the 2008 max v apparently means the widescreen problems sorted out .the specs on the itgate do look really good though.

Hope it lasts for you, i have a few starviews out there and am worried they’l go pop. My next will definately be it gate.

hi ben conad i have the starview .im on chorous and it works perfect u only have to put in codes.with ntl its a bit easier i think.the eurovox is meant to be ok aswell.im thinking about getting one meself next week.ive heard about chorous knocking on doors sayiny there here to check out the chorous box dont let them in there checking to see if theres a starview box.the *hit will hit the fan if they see a starview box or watever

the couple of things im finding it hard to get are the codes for sky modern and the sky box office apart from that everythings ok

in reply to adrian the new cc company are already using negra 1 and 2 usin g multicript the problem is when are they going to get around to the full negra2 and by that time there will be firmware available to sort ut the problem the starview 1 will be defo dead when and i say when they do it but the starview 2TheBox should be able to be sorted with a firmware update and it would also mean they would have to change everybox in the country to go to negra2 as well and how long will that take with our great postal service we have here

hi clio, have read on other forums that the starview 1 and 2 will be dead apparently nagravision 2 is too complex for the basic make up of them boxes. I hope your right, have a few of the box out in the public domain, dont want them back…

i work for ntl and the boxs are been switched to new boxs as we speak ot sure how long it will take but theres a push on it as sky are putting pressure on the cable providers

well just to put your mind at ease the starview 1 will be dead no worry there the starview 2 will work on n2 as it will take a bit of work but it is possible and they are using both neg1 and neg2 as we speak and you could be right about the pressure being on them but the programmers are all just waiting for something to happen so as they can crack it again there is a lot at stake here for it to be all lost at this stage they have been doing this for years so it is not imossible for it to be kept going as you well know

[...] Another geek, put this thing up about it and lots of people have been responding to say how good it is - http://www.tomdoyletalk.com/2007/07/19/starview-2-aka-thebox/  [...]

well how long is a piece of string all these so called ntl employees on here speaking about what they are going to do and not do scaremongering that is all and yet themselves sell the boxes as well this is just another ploy and about the new boxes been delivered my friend got a new digital connection and they where given the old pace box so much for the new stock rolling out all i say is god help ntl with employees like that who dont know what they are talkin about so i would not worry unduly

i was told by someone who is really in the know that the old ntl boxes are well capable of handling nagra2 and the fact that ntl are using both formats at present is in my opinion just in the transition period, all the really old pace boxes will no doubt have to be replaced and this will obviously take time, this is why nagra1 & nagra2 are being used at present.

Its all well and good adopting the ostrich syndrome and burying your heads in the sand, but ntl etc are not going to let these boxes continue to go on, its just not good business, especially now that upc has taken over and have money a plenty to throw at it.

I really hope the starview 2 can handle the new system with just a firmware update, it will save me a lot of hassle but i have to be honest; I DOUBT IT.

How can i get the sv2 box to work with mmds cable in ireland? Any help would be appreciated…..thank you

hi im new on here but does anyone know where i could get a smart card reader i have the infinity usb unlimited but its not the right one anyone know a web site of where i can get one

hey i am a father and have blocked the “naughty” chanels from my children but have completly forgotten the acsess code.is there any way i can hack/terminate the old code,please let me now A.S.A.P thanks

This is getting boring now.

It’s highly unlikely that any UK/Ireland cable operator (regardless of who owns them or who are they connected to) would go anywhere near Nagra 2. The guys behind the decision would have done their market research, and will be fully aware that Nagra 2 has already been widely cracked in many parts of the world. Unlike the current Nagra1 system, Nagra 2 has not been as fully cracked as we’d like.. but that shouldn’t matter too much. Users with DBOXs, Dreamboxes, Starviews, Eurovoxes etc do not have equipment where a physical card is required to decode channels. This means that they will not be required to delve into the depths of glitching or unlocking cards, or even reprogramming them. Instead, all these new boxes use a virtual smartcard, “an emulator” which uses the keys to decode the channels. As long as the emulator supported Nagra2, all the hard work has been done for us.

Nagra 3 is now available - search google for “Nagravision 3″ for more details on that,(even reports of that been cracked recently). Polsat have already announced that it will be switching to the Nagra3 system, and the transition will be complete by 2008. This is a simple (yet still expensive) switch that just involves a new card being issued to the customer.The cable company could opt to NOT choose the Nagra3 system because it is so new.

Personally I believe that NDS would be a much better way forward for the providers. There are so many tricks that can be unveiled when a hack is near, rendering everything completely useless and causing the hacker to start virtually from the beginning again. s*y UK already use this encryption method; and it has been tried and proven. This is the main reason why I believe NDS would be top of cable companies priorities - it has already been tried and proven in the UK. However, due to rivalry, the cost of this may not be beneficial. Again, the switch-over would only involve new cards… I have known of NDS already being used in some (rare) scenarios on something as poor as a Pace 1000 Phase1b - and we all know how slow and ugly those boxes can be.

In any case, the switch-over will only be gradual, and will always be trialled in one particular test area first. When these trials start to occur THEN we can start worrying. And by that time we’ll also know which encryption system has been chosen and look for ways around it. And even when the final rollout does begin, it’ll only be gradual; meaning that some areas of the country move over before others.

Don’t forget that Nagra 1 still has a few tricks left that can be utilised by the CC. Regards ITGATE been the only N2 capable box, (how do they what Rom version will be used????), that is stretching the truth a bit, as any linux based box with the right image would work . Even softcam boxes like a Eurovox is capable given the right image. Lets just say this is more a marketing ploy than a “truthful” statement.

These kind of queries have been doing the rounds on all forums and are caused by marketing ploys like this one, provider scaremongering and sheer boredom by others. Rumours should always be just that unless backed up with hard fact.

BTW people in the community know whats going on at all time, (hello Clio ) reports of “inside” knowledge is pure speculation/scaremongering at best.