For quite some time now, NTL/UPC have had a thorn stuck in their foot. That thorn is something commonly known as a “dodgy box” or the official name “starview box” / “The box”.
The dodgy box allows non technical home users hook on to a basic NTL / UPC analog line and receive digitial TV including fully subscription based channels – free of charge.
In fairness to NTL, they’ve tried everything they can to beat these boxes. From sending out sensational rumours (i.e. a rumour that viruses could be sent down the line to these boxes) to constantly disrupting the service by changing the encryption code. Although I’m sure it suceeded in removing the “plug n play” type users, who don’t understand why their TV doesn’t work when it’s unplugged, it certainly hasn’t deterred those who know what they are doing.
So how can they really beat these rogue thieves from stealing their service? Well I think it’s quite simple and they seem to be making a step towards this.
Personally, if I think a service is good enough, I don’t mind paying extra for value. Recently NTL/UPC sent me a letter stating that they were upgrading all digital customers in my area to facilitate the new services they have coming online. In cable forums across the UK and Ireland, the rumour is that they are doing this so that they can start using a new encyption that will make the majority of these dodgy boxes as useful as a doorstop.
In the letter they mentioned that they were offering a new “DVR service”. This is NTL/UPC’s attempt at competing against the might Sky’s – SKy Plus, that allows you to pause and record live TV. Unlike Sky, they were offering this new service at only €5 per month, with no charge for the upgraded device. I thought, why not? €5, it’s well worth it.
So it got me thinking of what else they could offer:
- Improved DVR service
Although the new service is much welcomed, it’s not a patch on Sky Plus. The interface is slow and doesn’t allow certain things like Sky Plus does. - More Channels
I think they could easily offer more channels to their package. Just by adding free-to-air channels, surely there’s little if any cost for them to do this. They recently removed my beloved Scuzz music channel without any notice – this was a free to air channel, that I’m sure they weren’t paying for. - A True Digital Service
It’s taken a while for NTL to offer even the basic pause live TV function, but some interactive functions would be really nice, like shopping online etc. Or even just the ability to “click the red button”
- Interactive Gaming
Not something I’d personally use that often, but a drawer none the less. - Cheaper Price
Obviously I’m going to say this, but the price comparison between NTL/UPC and Sky is just non existent. Sky just offer a greater package, even though they are slightly more expensive. This could be a huge turning point for People to use NTL / UPC over Sky.
The DVR is a step in the right direction, but I know they could offer a lot more.
In fact, a quick review on the DVR system isn’t very impressive. It’s apparently a Thomson 6000 series device. The EPG is slow to load and quite finicky. Other pet hates are the fact that you can’t record from an external device, even though it allows you to channel it through it.
Anyway, I’m just giving out now
All in all – if there was an improved, value for money service on the table, I believe people wouldn’t be bothered trying to hack the network with these dodgy boxes.
Updating a starview box, if you don’t have any friends to do it, can cost anything from €10 – €50. Why would they bother with the constant updates when you have a cheap, better alternative?
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#1 by Hijpo at July 10th, 2008
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I was also offerd this new digital service from NTL. This new service allowed me to recieve a 20mb broadband connection, all that needed to be done was change the NTL point in the room the PC was in so i could use the TV point for my internet access aswell. I happily agreed. When the tech came to do the job he said that all Starview boxes were screwed with this new NTL point there putting in for people to recieve this digital service. Apparently they aim to have all “dodgy boxes” offline by september. I dont know if its only when you run a “dodgy box” from this new NTL point in that specific room or if this new digital NTL point effects every NTL point in the house. I do have to admit, i noticed more than a few channels on my “dodgy box” have become unstable or unwatchable due to strange interference since i got the Digital point in, and im not running the dodgy box from it. What do you make of it?
#2 by jimmy mick at October 8th, 2008
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I wouldnt believe the hail mary from a UPC engineer, the point in the room wont cut the box out, your signal is probably to high which interferes with the box, they wont be switching anything until all the old boxs are gone and are confident that whats left can handle nagra 2 which is already being sent to each household……….
#3 by MichalP at October 16th, 2008
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I recently got u.p.c. (choru*s) digital installed in the mullingar area, paid for with their set top box. i would like to have digital tv in other rooms, so i got a digiv0x-T and loaded the file recommended to it (digiv0x_ter_v3200.bin). however no stations picked up when i try tuninig it in?? any suggestions?
#4 by MichalP at October 16th, 2008
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how do i get it to receive channels? from the upc (choru*s) in mullingar?
#5 by Starview Rules! at October 21st, 2008
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http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/531594
Hi michal have a read through this link any otherproblems let us know
#6 by john at November 12th, 2008
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12 nov 08, Hi all, can you HELP. iv change over to upc digital here in Wicklow town, I have dodgy box, but does not work, it’s only for chorus,(main’s cable) is there a dodgy box that I can use for digital ?..Im on an MMB aerial… please Help
#7 by Starview Rules! at November 12th, 2008
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if your on ch**us mmds you need a dvb-t box which can be starview the box-t or eurovox-tx
#8 by Paul at November 27th, 2008
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iam living n wicklow town and got the box super? iam on chours ntl bu digital does nt wrk in my area. hwcan iget channels ?on d box
#9 by Starview Rules! at November 28th, 2008
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Paul is there an ariel on your roof or is cable from the ground you are on?
#10 by john at November 28th, 2008
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thank’s starview from wicklow, ref 12 nov…. paul you said that you have a digital box ?.. well iv got a starview cable box, I would like to try on cable & you can try your box on digital, my house ?. im in wicklow town ?
#11 by cmag at December 15th, 2008
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hi, can anyone remember upc having an offer of 2mths free on their “go digital select” upgrade? we changed to this pack in sept when it became available in our area. now upc are chargin us full whack and saying they never had this offer!! v annoying! can anyone help…just so I know I didnt imagine it!! thanks
#12 by full of rubish at June 16th, 2010
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they have no chance of stopping this completely and they know it , ntl are bully’s to people selling these boxes in ireland so they deserve everything they get hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
#13 by Starview Rules! at June 16th, 2010
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I think they’ve done a pretty good job at it for the moment
Unless your gone down the new route thats available, if thats the case that’ll hardly last that long either.
Not too safe either I doubt.
#14 by jimmythegent at June 29th, 2010
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Would the starview box work in Bangkok on Truevisions cable?
#15 by Tom Doyle at June 29th, 2010
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I’m not sure – but I do know of someone using a dreambox in Bangkok with True. Not sure if it’s cable or satellite he has – but will find out…
#16 by Tom Doyle at June 29th, 2010
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http://www.satthai.tv/2008/index.php
#17 by Nathaniel at August 1st, 2011
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I happily agreed. When the tech came to do the job he said that all Starview boxes were screwed with this new NTL point there putting in for people to recieve this digital service